Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Huck Finn: Chapters 29 - 38


Two different types of morality are demonstrated in the novel.  Compare Huck's morality with Tom's.  How are they different?  Explain the origins of each boy's sense of morality.  Cite examples from the novel to support your answer.

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  1. Please post using your first name and last initial. If you are using an alias (that I don't already know), make sure I know who you are. This post will be graded.

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  2. Huck has a much more level-headed and logically moral than Tom. Tom has been influenced by all of the books that he's read and they have given him this romantic view of the world and that the way things are done in the books is the way they should be done in real life.

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    1. In the story though it says that Huck isn't able to keep his mouth shut, or even when he should speak he won't. Also it is true what you said, but you don't have where this happened in the book.

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    2. Also you don't really have the differences in the morals between Huck, and Tom, you just have Tom. Also Huck is exact opposite of that he is not level headed.

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  3. Tom Sawyer is more naive than Huck Finn, being influenced by books and stories. Huckleberry has led a rough life and knows how the world works and what is possible or not.

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    1. I agree with what you are saying yet in many instances, Tom has actually had good ideas, also how does this relate to their morals, it seems to be talking about their knowledge.
      -Dustin M.

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  4. Huck is more internally based, meaning how he feels is how he treats people. On the other hand Toms morality is more based off of his history, meaning he is more of a traditional person, and he feels that what is right he will do. For instance on page 140, Huck says to Mary Jane, " But they will-and inside of two weeks-and I know it!" Says I. Laws it was out before I could think!-and before I could budge, she throws her arms around my neck, and told me to say it again, say it again, say it again! I believe he is saying that words come out of his mouth before he can even think about what he is trying to tell people. This is the difference between Huck Finn and Tom, one has a sense of mind, and when he can speak, and Huck speaks, before he can even think about what he is going to say.

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  5. Hucks morality in this novel is very different from Toms. Huck Finn many times does not think before he does, yet Tom actually thinks about what he is doing and sometimes has nothing wrong with doing bad things. When Huck plays the trick on Jim saying that there was no fog it shows that he does not think about what he is doing because after he realized Jim was sad, it made him realize what he had done. What Huck did made him sad, yet if he would of been Tom he wouldn't of been sad. When Tom is at the Phil's farm with Huck, he has no problem steeling all the things to save Jim. Tom even realizes he is being mean to his own family yet he doesn't care. That is the difference between Huck's and Tom's
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    -Dustin M.

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  6. Tom is very distracted and influenced by the novels he reads, so he likes to always over complicate situations and solutions like they would be in his books. Huck has been raised by the widow, so he has a very stern and real world view of life and how to live.

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  7. Tom and Huck are very different in their morals. Tom does things, like agreeing to free Jim, just to do it, even though it goes against many of society's standards. Huck does it because Jim is his friend. Both of them do foolish things for the sake of adventure, but Huck is more realistic and loyal than Tom is.

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    1. Huck might be more realistic because he has been in more real life situations, and Tom has lived these story book adventures in his head. I do agree though that Tom is freeing Jim just for the sake of doing it, while Huck is doing it because Jim is his friend.

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  8. Tom is basically living in a dream. He's way too influenced by the books he reads and stories he hears. Huck, on the other hand, has been there and done that in many scenarios. He knows how to work things the quickest and easiest ways possible. Tom is way too caught up in living his own story book that he is forgetting the task at hand, which is freeing Jim. Jim doesn't know any better, so he'll do whatever Tom tells him to do, and Huck is afraid Tom would think different of him if he mentions anything. So Tom is running this whole show, but with a very exaggerated and story book theme.

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    1. I agree Jessica, Tom is living in a dream as you said. He has not gained knowledge like Huck from living real life experiences. Tom just reads and he gains knowledge from that. It also has to do with the diversity in a society and thats when the whites judge the blacks by calling them "niggers".

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  9. Huck has gained the majority of his knowledge through life experience that his life has taken through. Tom, on the other hand, bases the majority of his actions and much of his thinking on stories and books he reads, in example when he tried to create the gang entirely off of things he had read. Tom's morale is largely based on fictional readings but Huck's morale comes from a more hands-on background through a life of experiences.

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    1. I completly agree. Huck has developed his morality from life experiences while Tom's views on life come from books. Huck has seen how the upper class(Mrs. Watson/the widow)and how the lower class(Huck's dad) lives. Toms views come from books that he takes too seriously.

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    2. I agree, Toms morals come from his fiction adventure books and imagination, while Huck gets his morals from real world occurances.

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    4. Alex, you are using the word morale in place of the word moral . . . they are two very different words.

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  10. Huck and Tom have two very different senses of morality. Huck grew up in what is inferred, a much rougher childhood than Tom. Huck was consistently beaten by his drunken father and moved from house to house. Through all of this, I believe, is where Huck developed his genuine sense of conscience and good-will. Although Huck chose not to listen to his conscience anymore because "it makes you feel bad no matter what." He still follows his conscience more than he realizes. After all he decided that he would rather "go to hell" for saving a "nigger", than let his friend live as a slave. This is all very different than Tom. Tom is a showman, in fact he shares a striking resemblance to the con men with his flashy style of doing whatever he does. I think Tom has a good conscience but it is mostly out of selfish reasons. For example Tom very well could have agreed with Huck to rescue Jim only because he wanted to experience to thrill of it all a be given credit for his elaborate plans. I think this selfish sense of morality comes out of all the books Tom reads because Tom wants to live the same glamorous and exhilirating life of all the characters in the books.

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    1. I completely agree that Huck's morality developed during the time spent with his father. However, had not really yet discovered what his true morals were at that time. Through his journey, he discovered that what he thought were his morals were actually not his true morals at all. I also agree that Tom resembles the King and the Duke. After Huck's experience with the con men, he seems to have lost a bit of the fascination he had for Tom in the earlier part of the book, and at times, he seems puzzled or even annoyed with some of Tom's antics.

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    2. Good response to a strong post, Justin.

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  11. Tom gets this influence from stories, like on page 10 when Tom explains the concept of "Don Quixote." His spontaneous decision to help free Jim was for adventure. Huck, on the other hand, thinks his actions through more completely. On page 161 Huck contemplates whether he should tell Miss.Watson what happened or if he should try to free Jim. Huck then realizes helping Jim is the right thing to do because they are true friends.

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  12. Tom and Huck have very different moralities. Tom does things for the adventure and does everything based off books. He believes that the easiest way means less adventure. This is shown on page 180 when Tom states that Huck's plan to save Jim will not work because “no books free prisoners in such an old-maidy way”. Huck does things for the result. He will do the simplest way, and he will weigh the consequences. On page 69 Huck thinks about whether he would tell the men on the raft about Jim or if he will lie about Jim and keep him a secret.

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    1. I agree that Huck does a good job of thinking about the outcome of his decisions. One thing I disagree with is the adventure factor. Don't both boys do things for the adventure? Like when Huck wanted to go and explore the wrecked steam ship, that was for adventure and outcome. Just a thought.

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  13. Huck and Tom have very differet moralities. Huck thinks things through, he choses what he does through his beliefs and does them because of what he thinks will happen. Tom, on the other hand, does things based on books, based on the knowledge that authors provide him. At the beginning of the book when Tom was telling the boys how the gang was going to work, he refered to books he had read. The two boys have different morals, but they both choose the things that will provide them with adventure.

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  14. Huck's set of morals is based on real world experience, whereas Tom's is based on his experiences through books, which are much less useful in real life than actual experience.

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  15. Huck and Tom are two very different characters. Hucks morality comes from real life experiances and is also developed from who he spends his time with. For example Huck is considerate, and honest to others when living with The Widow and Miss Watson. They taught him religious beliefs as well as getting a good education and manners. " Now she had got a start, and when she went on and told me all about the good place. ... I asked her if she reckoned Tom Sawyer would go there, and, she said, not by a considerable sight." pg. 2. Now as for Tom Sawyer, he learns his morals from books, and not real life expericances. He is very dishonest and disrespectful. "Tom said he slipped Jim's hat off of his head and hung it on a limb right over him, and Jim stirred a little but did not wake." pg. 4.

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  16. Huck's morals are constantly developing throughout the story, and nearly all of them are influenced by people who are around him, or through past experiences. For example when he meets the Duke, he begins to understand how bad lying really is. Tom's morals are influenced by books that he has read throughout his lifetime and are stuck in stone because he thinks he is consistently correct. While Huck is beginning to become a much moral person, Tom remains the same.

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  17. Tom's morals are not thought up by himself but rather a conglomerate of the decisions that are made from books he's read and adventures that he fantasizes about. Huck has many influences on his morality including his father and southern society but Huck's morals are evolving towards more moderate morals in his experiences with Jim. The real turning point for Huck is on page 65 when Huck apologizes for playing the trick on Jim.

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  18. Tom's morals are based off of the books he has read and his life of adventure and stealing. Huck's morals however are influenced by his father. A good example of his moral teachings from his father is the govmnt speach.

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  19. Huck's morality is much more sincere than Tom's. When Huck and Tom were trying to free Jim, Huck was sincerely trying to free Jim, while Tom was making the escape as elaborate and as complex as possible, so that it would be "fun" for him. Tom's morality is based off books and other such things that he has read. He often cites these books as reason why they are carrying out such elaborate and often ridiculous plans, when Huck asks for an explanation. Huck's morality has been shaped by his recent adventures and experiences. He does certain things because he needs to do them to survive, while Tom treats most of his life as though it is a game, and does not often take things very seriously. At the beginning of the book, Tom may have seemed like the more intelligent and moral of the two boys, but by the time Huck and Tom reunite, it seems as though Huck has surpassed him.

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  20. Huck and Tom have different morales because they were raised very differently. Tom was raised in a more respected family, according to Huck on page 176, and was more educated. His morales are based on the books that he has read and he acts on a sense of adventure. For example, when he agreed to free Jim not because he thought it was wrong, but because it would be an advendure like in the books he read. Huck on the other hand was raised by an abusive father and didn't have much of an education, so his morales are more of a reflection of his true character and less selfish than Tom's. Also, Huck's recent adventures have given him experience and helped him realize how skewed Tom's morales are and not iodolize him as much.

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    1. Megan, morals and morales are two different things.

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  21. Tom and Huck have two very different morales because of how they have been raised and who they have been raised by. Huck in the beginning of the book has a set of incorrect views on black men because that is what his father believed and passed down to Huck. Some of these beliefs include black men being unintelligent, and having no feelings. A good example of these views is on page 20 where Huck's father shares his beliefs and has his govment speech. throughout the book, these views change as Huck spends time with Jim. Tom bases his beliefs on what he reads in his adventure books,and his actions and words are based off of fun and adventure. For instance, Tom believes it is ok to steal and murder because it is what people do in the books he reads.

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  22. Huck and Tom have completely different morales. Toms moral views are dependent on the books he reads, and are based on his sense for adventure or excitement. He enjoys in participating in acts, not because they are right, or because he has a personal connection to them, but because he simply wishes to participate in them an have an adventure. He developed this sense of direction from his upbringing, in which he was raised in a more respectable society, with a large amount of care and fewer problems. So any sense of right and wrong came from the books that he read. Hucks morales on the other hand came from his harsh upbringing, with his abusive, harsh father. He has had to rely largely on his instinctive feelings to make decisions. An example of these two different morales is when Huck and Tom are formulating a plan to get JIm out. Huck wants to break him out, because he knows it is right, and JIm is his friend. However, Tom wants to break him out in an exciting manner, like his books. On page 176 Tom said,"..it's too blame' simple; there ain't nothing to it. What's the good of a plan that ain't no more trouble than that?"

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    1. As noted above, morals and morales are two very different things.

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  23. Tom and Huck have different morales in the story because their views on life are connected to their home life. Huck lived with Mrs. Watson for a short time but he lived with her long enough to realize whats right and wrong. He can decide what would hurt someones feelings and what wouldn't. Tom on the other hand cant see what is right or wrong. He just jokes around and he doesn't take life very seriously. Toms views on life come from books. Huck's views on life come from life experiences.

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    1. I agree that Huck is more moral then Tom, but I don't think that Huck developed his morals until later in the novel when he went on his adventures with Jim and saw the realities outside of his little town, not with Ms. Watson who tried to force her opinions on him constantly.

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  24. Tom and Hucks morals are very different from each other. Tom is completely different from Huck because he reads stories and gains knowledge from reading and stories from his friends and family. Huck learns from real world experiences by traveling and having an adventures. Huck has a knowledge what is right and what is wrong. For awhile Huck lived with Mrs.Watson and Huck felt trapped, and from house to house, it was almost like Huck was trapped in a cage, and he needed to seek adventure. Tom does some foolish things that are against societies standards like helping Huck try to free Jim, and Huck does it because Jim is his friend. Morals can either come from life experiences like Huck or from reading books like Tom but that makes them different in many ways. ~Hannah Munro

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    1. It also has to do with the diversity and the difference in society.

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  25. Huck and Tom have very different morales due to the drastic differences in their upbringings. Tom's life was much easier than Huck's and he has a better education than Huck and because he came from a respectable family, he wasn't able to have the experiences that Huck has had. Tom has had to develop his morales from the novels that he has read, like on page 180. Huck, however, was raised by and abusive father who doesn't even know how to read. So Huck had to learn from his own experiences and base his morales off of how each experience affected him. An example of this in the text is when Jim gets captured and Huck decides that it is worth going to hell to save a friend.

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  26. Tom and Huck have different morals in this book. Tom goes off of a lot of things he's read in books. He doesn't really focus on reality. Huck on the other hand doesn't learn from books but from actually doing things. He learns from experience. Even though Huck didn't enjoy living with Mrs. Watson, he learned a lot from her. Including what's right and wrong. Tom and Huck both like adventure but they have different ways of going about it because their morals are not the same. For example, when they are trying to save Jim, Tom tried to drag it out and make it more fun while Huck actually wanted to save his friend.

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  27. Huckleberry Finn has learned his morals from life experiances, he has street smarts so to speak. He learns as he goes from what others tell him and what he sees and guesses. Tom grewup in a 'propper' household so he has book smarts he believes his characters always do the right thing and decides he should do that too. Tom just lets things plays out and lets his imagination guide his morals not laws or manners.


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  28. As most of my classmates have said, Tom has a confused and shallow sense morality that he has gotten from books. For example, they planned to capture women so that they would fall in love. Since this worked out in a book he had read, he had no moral issue in doing it, even though it is clearly a 'bad' thing to do.

    Huckleberry on the other hand has a moral system based largely on honor. In chapter 8, page 57 he says "I said I wouldn't, and I'll stick to it" in reference to keeping a promise about not telling that Jim had ran away. This shows that even though he lies and makes stories often, he cares about keeping his word to some degree, and appreciates being honorable.

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  29. Huck is more mature and cares more about the well being of others then Tom does. Even though they both start off in the same place as each other, a racist town in the south which instills some of the same moral views in both of them, they both develop differently morally. This is because of how they grew up and different social status. Tom grew up in a "civilized" household, goes to school, and is considered acceptable by the members of the society, which allows him to act more like a young boy. He bases all his antics like creating a band of robbers and harmful pranks off of adventure books and things he reads. On the other hand, Huck grew up with an abusive, alcoholic father which gave him a bad reputation and made him an outcast socially. This forced Huck to fend for himself and develop his own morals and values, which resulted in him growing up faster then Tom. Also, after he and Jim travel and have all their adventures, he is exposed to reality which really helps him mature and develop even more morally. He sees all of the messed up things that occur in the real world, and reacts to that by developing his own opinions on what's right. By the end of Huck's adventures, he is much more mature and moral then Tom.

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  30. There appear to be two perceptions (Morals) in Huck and Tom, and those perceptions are reality with quick action and hoping in reality.

    Huck's perception of quick movement began on page 160, paragraph II of chapter XXXI. As Jim was taken away, Huck is trying to ravish through his head on what to do if it was to write a letter to the Widow or devise a plan to rescue Jim. This could have gone one way or another to change not only the story, but Huck's personality. Whether to show that his opinion on African American's have changed, or if he was just cloaking his "real opinion". His opinion also said in Paragraph III on the same page,

    "The more I studied about this, the more my conscience went to grinding me, and the more wicked and low-down and ornery I got to feeling."

    This can count as a conflict with quick movement that he went from one opinion to another, from writing a letter then ripping it to shreds, finding what his opinion was.

    Tom represents reaction in hoping. Though he said he would help Huck to steal Jim back, Tom was looking for more eccentric adventure. Such as the quote on page 177 in chapter XXXIV,

    'I should -hope- we can find a way that's a little more complicated than -that-, Huck Finn."

    Also, on page 179, a farther lead into action:

    "... If I was t catch a nigger that was ungrateful enough to run away, I wouldn't give him up, I'd hang him."

    Finally,on page 180 of Chapter XXXV, Tom unfolds his reading perception,
    "There ain't no watchman to be drugged- now there -ought- to be a watchman. There ain't even a dog to give a sleeping mixture to."

    At a perspective, Huck seems to know adventure by actually going and and living, yet Tom only knows adventure by stories, which is what he perceives to always happen...

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  31. Huck and Tom, being similar ages, are much different from each other. Tom has a very romanticized look on life. He believes that all things are an adventure, risking his life left and right if he can. Huck on the other hand has a grip on reality. Throughout Huck's experiences in the novel, we see that Huck knows the world is not made of rainbows and butterflies.
    Tom reads many stories, but has rarely experienced any live action. In the end of the novel when they are rescuing Jim, Tom insists that they make an adventure out of it. Huck is very concerned with this because they are all in danger, and extending their rescue mission could get them all killed.
    Huck has lived in multiple homes, and his father is a drunk who has attempted to kill him. Huck knows how to get out of a sticky situation and he gets lucky almost every time.
    Huck has street smarts, this is something Tom lacks.
    Austin (J)

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    1. well thought out and said. i think that Tom has more street experience than Huck though

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  32. i feel like huck is trying to be more of a mature person, vs tom who is living almost by fairy tails, not wishing to grow up and face reality. Huck understands things that tom doesn't, like austin said Huck has street smarts. Huck notices the thing around him.
    Lauren(N)

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    1. Lauren, when you are writing in an academic environment, please capitalize "I."

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  33. Huck and Tom are both complete opposites. Like everyone else said, Tom goes off of books and thinks before he acts unlike Huck who only goes off what he reslly knows and believes to be true. Huck goes off reality and the realistic solution to whatever lies ahead.

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  34. Tom and Huck have very different moralities. Tom, on one hand, values adventure over, say, stealing, while on the other hand, Huck has cleaner values. He would rather just do things the simple way, while Tom has to make intricate plans and it has to be right for it to work. Tom has a freewheelin', hakuna matata personality. For example, when Huck and Tom are trying to get Jim out of captivity, Huck wants to do it the simple, easiest way, while Tom wants to come up with a more traditional, "right" way to do things. Huck has learned throughout his adventure about morals, and wants to do the right thing. He also doesn't want to cause trouble or get caught red- handed, like the King and Duke did with their "Royal Nonsuch" performance.

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  35. Tom looks at life as an adventure book. He uses pieces of books in his life to make things interesting. Tom lives for adventure in his life. Huck learns to think about other peoples feelings and how to care for other people. An example of their different moralities is when they want to help rescue Jim. Huck understands what his goal is, he wants to get the necessary items and help, and then leave with Jim. While Tom understands what needs to happen but complicates the rescue for adventure/amusement in the situation.

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  36. Toms morality stems from the books he has read, everything he dose is something thay is done in a book. Hucks morality comes from the experences he has been through. Toms sees life as a book were as Huck sees his life as tought reality.

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    1. only two spelling errors Kewi! ;) i agree completly

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  37. tom's mortality completely revolves around adventures that are full of text worthy scenes and scenarios. He doesn't care for the well being of others versus Huck who cares for others and, while he is easily lead astray, is compassionate and clever in his mortality.

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  38. Tom's Morals differ from toms in that Huck's are formed from experiences in life, him learning and adapting to different situations and struggling with them over what is right and what is wrong. Tom's are formed mainly from books, him pulling all of his experiences ideas and ethics straight from a book as an alternative to his own experiences. Almost none of his morals where formed originally or creatively.

    -Late

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  39. Huck and Tom's morality differ immensely throughout the book. Tom is more outgoing and likes to read adventure books or pull pranks on people. Tom is also much more racist to black people in the novel. For example, when Huck and Tom are trying to free Jim, Huck was trying to make the plan as quick and easy as possible for the good of Jim. Tom, on the other hand, tried to make the plan very complex because of the ideas he has heard and liked in his adventure books. Tom could be this way because he grew up in St. Petersburg, just like Huck, and has always been in an enviornment where blacks do not get as much respect as whites. Huck, fortunately, opened his eyes and began to see what is right from wrong. Huck was just like Tom at the beginning of the book, but throughout the book, Huck changes to a certain degree of gratitude and respect. Also, Huck seems to be more superstitous than Tom. For example, he thought if you touched a snake-skin, you were going to get bit by one. Overall, both Huck and Tom's morals were key aspects to the story.

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  40. Huck's morals are based more off of personal experiences and the people around him. He learns what is right and what is wrong by the people around him teaching him, such as his dad and the people who he encounters on his journey. Tom's morals are from books, and less of his own beliefs and experiences. Tom is unable to form his opinions easily If a book has a certain bias to it, Tom takes that side more often.

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  41. There is a clear difference between Huck and Tom's morals. Tom's morals are based off what books say, which leads to him do things not to help people, but for the show and adventure of it. On the other hand, Huck's morals come from his past experiences and what he thinks is right and wrong. Such as when Huck wants to free Jim because he thinks it is the right thing to do, Tom wants to free Jim for the adventure and fun of it. Huck and Tom have very different morals that is shown through out the book.

    Eliza B.

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  42. The difference between Huck and Tom's morals are quite distinct.Tom reads books and bases his philosiphy and thought process upon those books. Huck on the other hand bases his thoughts around his personal experiences, such as his dilema with Jim and sending him back or having fun and going on an adventure with him.

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  43. Tom and Huck's morals are very different from each other. Tom wants everything to be like the books. Whenever he does something he thinks about what the people in the books would do. Huck does what he feels is right. He wants everything to be done quickly, and he tries to treat people right. He does what his heart tells him to do, not what would be written in a fictional book, as Tom might. For a while though, Huck thought, "What would Tom Sawyer do?" That caused him a few problems, but also helped him when he went ashore pretending to be Tom. When Huck wants to free Jim, he wants to do it because he believes it is right, but Tom wants to do it for the adventure. Huck and Tom have very different morals through out the entire book.

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  44. Huck and Tom have very different morals. For example, Tom gets all of his ideas from books and wants his life to follow the book, like in the beginning when all he would talk about to the boys was how their "clan" had to follow the books and how they had to be robbers and kill people just like the books. On the other hand, Huck's moral is based off of personal experience and reality. Huck makes his decisions off of what is "right" and what is "wrong".

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  45. Tom and Huck are on opposite ends of the field when it comes to morals. Toms morals are based on complete fiction from books and other things he has read. On the other hand Huck bases his morals on real life experiences leaving him better equipped to take on the real world.

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